(In other words - a hoax.) You may also want to look closely at some of the other sketch maps in the book which show ocean currents. If the navigation and seamanship is not watertight then the book sinks, long before it reaches America - or anywhere else! It includes text in mediaeval Latin and a legend that describes how Leif Eiriksson, a Norseman, found the new land called Vinland around the year 1000. The 1421 paperback version is due this January in the U.S. with revisions, corrections, updated and new information. Where is map?' (That's called a citation, they are all over the article. Gavin Menzies, a former British Royal Navy officer, argues in the bestseller 1421: The Year China Discovered America, that squadrons from Zheng He's … just plain contradicts himself, as when he asserts that "sea levels in Result is that ice covers northern greenland and climate changes. 2. Or in part , they lack the horses as the Mongols had in Gobi or beyond ? Here is a list of resources on debunking the 1421 hypothesis by Gavin Menzies. 7. Even more fatal to his argument, Menzies often fails to provide corroborating Those freebooters were the ones who gathered the original data about the Americas and many other places, but it's unlikely that we will ever know who most of them were because they didn't advertise what they were doing! --> Constantly? [15] It was listed as a New York Times best seller for several weeks in 2003.[26]. After all is said and done, I'll just like to say this: to each his own, Mr Furnish. 2) China is the new hyper power. That map was included in the book. This is not a ‘mistake’. Menzies noticed that they kept encountering the year 1421 and, concluding that it must have been an extraordinary year in world history, decided to write a book about everything that happened in the world in 1421. If so, what do you think? Teammates roast NFL player for awful haircut. This article first appeared in the Atlanta Journal Constitution and is reprinted with permission. Felipe Fernández-Armesto, a professor of history at Tufts University in the United States and at Queen Mary, University of London, examined Menzies' claim that private papers of Columbus indicate a Chinese ambassador in correspondence with the Pope and called this claim "drivel." Firma: El Descubridor Why? If diplomatic trade missions were considered necessary by the governments of the day, then these were arranged later – after the experts had returned with all the details of the safe routes and the safe havens. The questions have been rasised regarding 1. Good luck with your research! Gavin Menzies had the idea to write his first book after he and his wife Marcella visited the Forbidden City for their twenty-fifth wedding anniversary. How can this fact of world history be accepted, and printed and anyone to try to prove it be considered wrong? But did leave a lot of luxury objects??? With regard to seamanship - For obvious reasons, competent seamen did not plan exploration voyages in the way that the author describes. With regard to the Piri Reis map, it is exactly what it says it is. He doesn's state the published report in which this evidence can be found." Before even bringing any argument M Menzies has two phenomena against him: While I defend the more "whole" or more comphrensive in the reasoning process versus the reactionary thinking process of "rationalizing". I have try to take claims that there are two way of thinking, " rationalizing " and "Reasons". Thanks to those who had the courage to read it and sorry for my awful english. Have you read all the evidence and references that he includes in his book and the website? ______________________________________________________________ NEW HAVEN (Connecticut) - The latest scientific analysis of a disputed map of the mediaeval New World supports the theory that it was drawn 50 years before Christopher Columbus set sail. Sure DNA evidence is good evidence. Every flood, storm, typhoon and earthquake is an act of vengeance wreaked by some entity they have offended somehow. Chinese seamen were much more competent and better organised than that! Just because someone is an enthusiastic amateur doesn't mean he's wrong. This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Gavin Menzies article. This Erik-Van-Daniken-meets-ancient-China codswallop was debunked in a post to H-ASIA today. "Lt Cdr Gavin Menzies, submariner turned author of far-fetched oceanic histories – obituary", "Gavin Menzies: August 14th 1937– April 12th, 2020", "The Alchemy of Turning Fiction into Truth", "Naval Officers (RN, RNR & RNVR) 20th Century (non-World War II)", "Gavin Menzies: Mad as a Snake or a Visionary? Interesting comments in page 306/8 regarding map of northern greenland. If the map's been lost, where is the documentation proving it existed? You can find details at http://www.teamworkfilms.com Here's to great explorers and mathematicians! Rowan Gavin Paton Menzies (14 August 1937 – 12 April 2020)[1][2][3] was a British author and retired submarine lieutenant-commander who has written books promoting claims that the Chinese sailed to America before Columbus. of this theory, he offers no proof, only a great deal of circumstantial evidence Gavin Menzies, a former British Royal Navy officer, argues in the bestseller 1421: The Year China Discovered America, that squadrons from Zheng He's fleets, between 1421 and 1423, did indeed get to the Americas first--as well as to … In it Menzies claims that in 1434 Chinese delegations reached Italy and brought books and globes that, to a great extent, launched the Renaissance. Read the author’s words about the Cantino map in chapter 15. In that time (according to Fernand Braudel) crossing the Mediterranean would take from Egypt to Spain normally at least two months. Was that done to enlighten the reader or was it done to deceive the reader? J Bruges-Armas -- ‘HLA in the Azores Archipelago: possible presence of mongoloid genes’ in Tissue Antigens Vol 54, 1999. They feared the wrath of their elders and of the long-dead ancestors. [30] The widely respected British historian of exploration Felipe Fernández-Armesto dismissed Menzies as "either a charlatan or a cretin". Perhaps that's a natural mistake to make because we live in an era where there are a lot of government controls on everything and nowadays maps are commissioned and controlled by governments. Two things first. Oh hogwash. That was the logical way exploration was done by all maritime cultures - from the Inuit or the Northmen in the Northern seas - to the Polynesians in the Southern seas. The author briefly mentioned this in his narration of the storm and the destruction. Ultimately, however, Menzies's presentation In it, he proposes that a genuine Chinese exploratory fleet (lead by eunuchs, no less) set off to chart unknown lands, and discovered the African coast and the Americas. However to further my analysis of the Piri Reis map, I've scanned the one in the book, then super impose it on top of the one I've found on the website, the only discrepancy I found was some notes that was enclosed in a frame to the right. I am now up to chapter 16, but I couldn’t help but started to do my own research. http://www.btinternet.com/~meirionhughes/Pub/download.htm Let's not argue about this. As compared to the bloodsheds and humans lives lost in the later EUROPEAN invasions, China was like an angel then. But could there be a form of reaction from their "black death" in the Middle Ages ? on subjective claims and more on hard evidence. Small probing expeditions. I'm sorry, but where are the backups to your claims he is a debunker? Who on earth would, after retirement, and most probably with a handsome sum of money, to around the globe umpteen times, dig and shove around, just to publish a book with the INTENTION to deceive or trick the world? reminds the reader of, his own naval expertise which gives him a mystical understanding