Mag. Trying to keep recoil around/under that is why. 300 Win. Am thinking about keeping my .270, but am considering adding the 7mm WSM, mostly for longer shots in western mtns for Elk. I do have a 7mm rem mag it was my first center fire rifle and I have loaded it as well. … Then you have a Weatherby 7mm magnum. Accuracy was phenomenal (for me) at .3-.6 @ 100, 1.5-2 @ 300 and consistency was outstanding (ES of 8-10 and SD of 4.5-5). Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. Also is a 7mm WSM and a 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. I just read a similar thread here in comparing the 7mm Rem and the 7mm Weatherby Mags. The Short-fat magnums have feeding problems in some rifles. I traded it off earlier this year and regret doing so very much. I haven't had a chance to fire it yet, I need to get a scope put on it. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. I also wanted something that was a bit lighter on the recoil than my Sako .338 win mag. Then you have a Weatherby 7mm magnum. Both were introduced in 2001. Re: 7mm short mag recoil vs. 30-06 I have extensive experience with the 30-06, 7mm mag, and 7mm WSM/SAUM. Mag. Am I right in thinking that the 7mm rem mag while having more energy than a .30-06 at longer range should be about equal in recoil? .270 versus 7mm Rem Mag. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. Mag load (168 Berger Classic Hunter) at 500 yards while only giving up 200 ft-lbs of energy (1700 vs. 1900) at the same distance. The 7mm WSM was only introduced in 2001, so it's possible it hasn't received the praise of the 7mm mag due to it being a fairly new load. The 160 grain 7mm WSM has a higher muzzle velocity than the 7mm magnum. October 28, 2013. Am I correct in thinking anything listed as 7mm is really a 7mm magnum? Both are great. 7mm Rem. The first (I believe) is the 7mm Remington Magnum. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 20 of 52 Posts. Overall Winner: 7mm Rem. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. "The problem with quotes on the internet is you cannot verify their authenticity." Now as far as 7mm magnums go, there are several options. Sportsmans warehouse was the only place I could ever find it locally, and they had closed. However, this small differential in size does not affect the fact that they can both be used in standard / long-action rifles. The WSM is about the same as the long 7 mag, and they are both sharper and harder than a 30-06, but not enough to really bother you. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. Just like with the 270 WSM vs 270 Winchester, 7mm WSM vs 7mm Rem Mag, and 300 WSM vs 300 Win Mag, the .338 Win Mag is significantly longer than the 325 WSM. Mag. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. Based on the 375 Holland and Holland, the 7 Remington Magnum case is shorter and fits in most commercially available long action receivers. Like most ballistic and other performance specs we have looked at between the 7mm Rem Mag vs .300 Win Mag, there is not a whole lot of difference between the two cartridges. I'm not a fan of the short and super-short mags. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. They come in variants. and 7mm Wby. at the muzzle. The 7mm Rem. The 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (also known as the 7mm WSM) is a centrefire cartridge developed in partnership with Browning Arms Company and Winchester ammunition, making its debut and introduced to the shooting public in 2001. Mag. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The math works out that this gun will produce a five-inch flatter trajectory over my 7mm Rem. It's now been surpassed by the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. The math works out that this gun will produce a five-inch flatter trajectory over my 7mm Rem. There seem to be a lot of variables in bolt action calibers. Mag. Mag. ... 30-06 is ok for a short stint though. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. For the 7mm cartridges you can choose from: In my opinion, I think the 7mm-08 will be the most fun rifle for you and it will be a great cartridge for hog hunting. By David E. Petzal. So think of it like this: The 7-08 is to a 7 Mag like the .308 is to a .300 Mag. rifles. Fishing. Mag. Also, if you take the time to find high-quality, high-BC .30-06 cartridges, the 7mm’s advantage shrinks. The 7mm WSM d… It is a member of the Winchester Short Magnum family of cartridges. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. These are belted magnum cases that will work through the same rifles that accommodate .30-06 length cartridges. It has a rebated rim, bottleneck casing with a 1:9.5 twist on a large rifle magnum primer. The 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) was designed in 2001 by Winchester Repeating Arms Company and Browning Arms Company. The 7mm Rem Mag overall length is slightly smaller than the.300 Win Mag – 3.34 inches against 3.29 inches. More The Gun Nuts. Updated: December 11, 2019. About a month after trading it, they opened back up. And … You will be able to find ammo for it most anywhere. I had one for several years. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. The 7MM magazine is, like others have reported, so lots greater gun than the 270. in case you shorten the 7MM you get the 280. Not all 7mm's are the same. I see human beings advising you one over the different, some rooting for the previous stand by ability of 30-06 or perhaps a submit for the 280 (a just about extinct around until it became re-presented. But if I’m recommending a big game cartridge to a new hunter for a wide variety of game at both short and long distance, I’m going with the 7mm Rem. When I say hunting length barrel that would be 24 inch and on some rifle 26 inch. per sec. So think of it like this: The 7-08 is to a 7 Mag like the .308 is to a .300 Mag. 3.5 lbs. On average, the 7mm Rem Mag rounds have a SD of .279 while the .300 Win Mag rounds have an average SD of .289, a hundredth of a difference. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. Maybe a magnum is not needed but the 7mm will give a huge range of bullets to shoot very flat w/o getting into heaviest 30 calibers yet with enough mass and momentum to tackle larger game with authority. Both the .270 and 7mm mag. Cartridge Type: Rifle Height: 2.1" Width: 0.535" Average FPS: 3134 Average Energy: 3314 Average Gr: 152 Recoil: 2.06 Power Rank: 4.76 of 20 The 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) was designed in 2001 by Winchester Repeating Arms Company and Browning Arms Company. The difference in velocity between the 7mm SAUM cartridge and the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) is less than 50 feet per … SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. are great cartridges, but which one is better? The 7mm WSM also has a higher maximum SAAMI pressure than the 7mm Remington Magnum (65,000psi vs 61,000psi). The 7mm Remington had a 40 year head start and is the most plentiful and popular Magnum in the world. Also is a 7mm WSM and a 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. at the muzzle. A short action 27” barreled 7mm WSM is approximately the same length as a 26” barreled 7mm Remington Magnum. At first glance, it is clear that the 7mm Rem Mag rounds have higher BCs than the .30-06 rounds with several of the rounds breaking the .6 mark. Officially designated as the Remington SA (for short action) Ultra Mag, it heralds the beginning of cartridges based on a shortened version of the Ultra Mag case. The 7mm-08 is a necked down .308 Win. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. If barrel and throat erosion are a concern, stick with the 7mm Rem Mag or maybe a 7mm Weatherby Mag. The WSM is smaller and lighter than the 7mm mag, but from what I can tell the 7mm is the more highly touted cartridge. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm SAUM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.825", maximum case length 2.035". I have had it for a couple of years though, and I have ammo for it. SAUM and .300 RCM also advertise similar ballistics. I got it because they are supposed to be flat, long, hard shooters. The 7 Mag will shoot a little flatter but unless you're hunting brown bear you can cleanly take any big game animal in North America and never notice the difference. The STW, based on the 8mm Rem Mag parent case was once the biggest commercially available 7mm Magnum in terms of case capacity. More The Gun Nuts. It is a member of the Winchester Short … 7mm Remington Magnum vs 6.5 Creedmore. It was designed specifically for the Remington Model Seven Magnum rifle, and intended primarily for long-range hunting use. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, 14.07 fps 24.6 foot-pounds. Using a shortened.375 H&H Magnum case paired with a.284″ bullet, the 7mm Remington Magnum (often referred to as the 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm RM, or 7mm Mag) offered a significant ballistic improvement over the.30-06. When I say hunting length barrel that would be 24 inch and on some rifle 26 inch. 7mm WSM VS 7mm rem mag After owning both wsm and rem mag, I have come to the grand conclusion that: I cant hardly tell the difference between them with the same bullet. Now as far as 7mm magnums go, there are several options. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. My main reason was that ammo was very hard to find around here. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum vs 7mm-08 Remington ammo rounds. Remington's answer to Winchester's .300 Short Magnum is a .30 of their own--plus a 7mm. I do have a 7mm rem mag it was my first center fire rifle and I have loaded it as well. By David E. Petzal. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. 15.64 fps 30.4 foot-pounds Astute readers will notice a few things from these numbers: Contrary to popular belief, the heavier bullet does not drift less in the wind. Mag. Custom, short throated 7mm RUM’s can and do produce extremely dangerous pressures with mild loads (89 grains powder). Indeed, the 7mm Mag will shoot the same weight bullet faster than the.30-06. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm WSM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.860", maximum case length 2.100". Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. I the magnum is not needed and prefer flatter shooting, the 280 is a pretty forgiving cartridge and anyone who likes the 270 will love the 280. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. I have a Weatherby 7mm magnum myself. Mag load (168 Berger Classic Hunter) at 500 yards while only giving up 200 ft-lbs of energy (1700 vs. 1900) at the same distance. The .270 Winchester vs. the 7mm Remington Magnum. They both seem to be accurate, deadly on game and work best with 140-160 grain pills. The .270 Winchester vs. the 7mm Remington Magnum. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. has about a 100 fps advantage with these heavier bullets. are attempts to wring the maximum performance attainable from a 7mm cartridge adaptable to standard length bolt action rifles. 7mm Rem Mag with a 24" barrel runs 73gr R-22 with moly plated 140 Partitions at 3300fps. Velocities for this barrel length are on average, 80fps faster than the standard 7mmWSM and the reduction in recoil can aid accuracy immensely. rifles. The Nosler loads were developed in Remington cases with Remington primers, and chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. H-4831sc with moly plated 140 Accubonds right at 3200fps. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have a short throat (.110) to be mag fed from a short action, so as you can imagine, the bullet sat down in the powder column. Iam not here to argue the 6.5 creedmoor and 7mm rem mag are on par, because there not. Remington introduced the 7mm Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM) cartridge in 2002 to compete with the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum cartridge. and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. They both seem to be accurate, deadly on game and work best with 140-160 grain pills. Top dog in my stable is a 7 STW with a 28" barrel running 87gr of Retumbo with moly plated 150gr Swift Scirrocos at an average of 3428fps. Another factor to consider when comparing the two cartridges is the 7mm is a long action and the short mag is a short action, that will mean a faster eject and insertion with the wsm as well as saving a few ounces in weight of the firearm. Assuming you're speaking of one of the longer 7mm magnums, rifle length and weight will differ more due to the short action of the wsm. Mag. All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. Mag. Accuracy was phenomenal (for me) at .3-.6 @ 100, 1.5-2 @ 300 and consistency was outstanding (ES of 8-10 and SD of 4.5-5). The case is based off a .300 WSM with a narrowed neck to fit .284 inch bullets on a .321 inch neck and the parent case is the .404 Jeffery. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. The .300 WSM, .300 Rem. are great cartridges, but which one is better? Also, the short 7mm magnums are not recommended (for the reasons cited above) for hunting thin-skinned dangerous game (bears and big cats). and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. per sec. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 3.89 lbs. The standard length 7mm Rem. 7mm SAUM with a 24" barrel runs 68gr. JavaScript is disabled. Latest. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. A forum community dedicated to Springfield Armory XD and XD-M series firearm owners and enthusiasts. Was wondering does anyone have much experience with the newer 7mm WSM (short mag) and how you think it compares to my Win mod 70 .270. Florida Has a New Invasive Species. It measures 2.62 inches – The 7mm Rem Mag is 2.5 inches. Mag. The 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (also known as the 7mm WSM) is a centrefire cartridge developed in partnership with Browning Arms Company and Winchester ammunition, making its debut and introduced to the shooting public in 2001. For the 7mm Rem Mag vs .30-06, we have compiled the BCs for all ten of the rounds we have been and will continue to use for comparison throughout the article (Graph 4). Since its introduction in 1962, the 7mm Remington Magnum (7 Rem Mag) has developed a strong following, becoming the most popular metric hunting cartridge in the United States. Brought me to the 7mm vs .30 performance debate. All rights reserved. What was interesting was the discussion revolved not so much about the slightly greater velocity potential of the Weatherby over the Rem Mag. By David E. Petzal. I wet to the a gun show today and picked up a Howa 7mm Rem Mag at a very good price, new in box. The first (I believe) is the 7mm Remington Magnum. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. 1; 2; 3 ... Iam not here to argue the 6.5 creedmoor and 7mm rem mag are on par, because there not. Finally, while the two cartridges use the same 7mm bullets (.284″ diameter) and there is a big overlap in typical bullet weights for each cartridge, the 7mm WSM normally uses lighter bullets than the 7mm Remington Magnum. Every manufacturer makes 7mm ammo, even the European, Russian and Chinese loaders. Both the .270 and 7mm mag. To decide which is the best overall 7mm magnum, I tested the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Winchester Short Magnum, 7mm Shooting Times Westerner, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, drift, effective range, and recoil with free, online ballistic software from shooterscalculator.com. 7mm WSM VS 7mm rem mag After owning both wsm and rem mag, I have come to the grand conclusion that: I cant hardly tell the difference between them with the same bullet. However, the 7mm SAUM can use a shorter receiver making for a shorter, lighter nicer handling rifle all else being equal. Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. I have a short throat (.110) to be mag fed from a short action, so as you can imagine, the bullet sat down in the powder column. dezmick wrote: is i worth my time to get a 7mm wsm, i am looking at getting a browning X-bolt for hunting elk in either 7mm rem mag or 7mm wsm, the rem mag has 26 inch barrel and the wsm has 23 inch barrel would that make any difference, and i noticed that there is not as many factory loads for the wsm, but i have found a few that i know will work, and i plan on learning how to reload.