", I'll leave you with a statistic: A 5'6" guy needs to make $183k/yr more than a 6'0" guy to be equally attractive. I think the fact that so many guys are insecure about their height is a good indication that they know it's a major factor in their overal physical attractiveness. I agree, and that's probably the most consoling thing: If I find a woman who likes me, I know that she'll be someone who I've impressed enough that she doesn't care about my unattractive trait. You are making some pretty broad generalizations there. The wife says that it would have been near impossable to find women 6' tall or more in the forties and she enjoys watching women's collage basketball on TV, pointing out that most are over 6' tall and well muscled and many would have been bigger and more muscular than almost any man in 1940. A lot of women may prefer 6 foot plus guys, but at the same time a lot of women prefer guys 5 feet 9 and less. I said that, from what I can gather, 6'2" is ideal, 6'0" is still good, 5'10" is meh, 5'8" is where you've reached unattractive territory, 5'6" is super unattractive, etc. Many people falsely believe that you can just walk down the tall guy by holding their hands high with a tight guard. If a person is so shallow as to completely reject an awesome guy who's just shy a few inches, well, that person is definitely not for you to impress. Not really helping the general rhetoric of this sub (Just sayin' just sayin'). "As a short man you can expect eight out of 10 women to dismiss you as … And, their vapid shallow dickishness bleeds out of every word they type. Then I'd like you to convince me that I'm wrong about all this. I'll list my answers to some frequently given objections whenever I bring up the hopelessness that myself (5'7") and other short guys seem to have in the dating world. Jackets build the shoulders and make them look … But it ain't such a great idea to be fighting. Cookies help us deliver our Services. You might be surprised to hear that I have no problem with women, or anyone, being shallow or egotistical. "every female" "nearly every single female" "women want a tall guy". puffboo +1 y. "every female" "nearly every single female" "women want a tall guy" You are making some pretty broad generalizations there. For the not-so-tall men, there is a third… Short man taxes. Money is the great equalizer. Hell .... FDR was able to disguise his paralyzation through TV, so I wouldn't be surprised that these guys can maintain a physically attractive male image through elevator shoes, camerawork, etc. You adapt your game and optimize the advantages of being short. Doors opening, people entering and exiting, what people were carrying in their hands. In Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, speed is SO important. Deep down, do you really believe it's that extreme? Most suits are made for men in the average height range (roughly 5’9” to 5’11” in the U.S.). Recently Allan Mott wrote about the difficulties of being short. Anonymous +1 y. tall and skinny ..but not so skinny either ..i like my men a bit buff ;) 0 | 0. Just saying that it makes me feel bad, because it says that shortness is just physically unattractive, period, and the best you can is hope someone can bring themself to look over it somehow. As you mentioned in your post, you've never dated before, so what are you drawing your information from? Anonymous +1 y. This isn't about dating, its about respect, and I don't have to perceive anything, I am told directly. Once you're both on the ground, it doesn't matter what your height was standing up (although longer limbs can still be an advantage, to be sure). Not only that, but the tall guy’s best skill is to jab you to death while running away. I really envy the shorter, quicker guys with "wrestling" builds - compact and so fast to switch positions, etc. The examples you've seen of this anti-short-men thing are very likely to come from a biased sample of the population. "Height requirements" are a real thing, and they're explicit in the online dating world. A guy can easily overcome his height effect if he can sell himself right. No offense intended if not - I certainly didn't start dating at an especially normal time either. This is a really awesome post. If that's true though, you should be aware that it's incredibly easy to come to incorrect conclusions based on personal experience. This plan is faulty because the tall guy will just jab and throw punches at your defense all day while constantly moving away from you. OP, if your insecurities on your height are going to be effected by the tweets on that twitter link in your post, then your'e letting the wrong people effect you. But it's such a strong preference that I think it's ridiculous to even categorize it as a preference; it's more like a "requirement", like I said. It matters before the fight begins. The closest thing I made to a moral judgement was that "It's sad" when I see how short guys get treated, and that's just a statement about my emotional reaction. Being compact is an advantage in many defensive situations. Take your time staying away from his strikes, waiting for an opening and then closing the gap and landing a hard shot. Women, in the long run, will more likely prefer a well built, smart short guy than a well built, dumb as a brick tall guy. While it might be generally true that height is a positively sex-selected trait, there will always be a population of women who either have no preference, perspective-skewed preferences (they are very short themselves, and would like a guy that they can at least hug without looking like they are going down on him) or outright fetishism. The responses are more just "Oh well; deal with it." They all have a problem with short guys. REDDIT, I'D LIKE YOU TO TRY AND CHANGE MY VIEW ON THIS, BECAUSE I'M A SHORT GUY WHO IS ABOUT TO TRY DATING FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND WHO IS VERY APPREHENTIOUS ABOUT IT DUE TO THE SHIT I'M ABOUT TO METION. OP, if your insecurities on your height are going to be effected by the tweets on that twitter link in your post, then your'e letting the wrong people effect you. 1 0. loren . Standing up straight, keeping your head up and being relaxed will make you appear confident, which is something women love to see. What's even more concerning is the fact that only a small percentage of men actually meet … In our society many girls view a taller guy as more attractive even if the shorter guy has better looks and body. Tall guy wins. I sure hope they're not representative of the people you hang out with, but the fact that you're capable of stringing a sentence together with punctuation and whatnot implies to me that they're not. Women will usually argue that men have equivalent deal-breakers, such as boob size, but the fact is that even the guys with obsessive boob fetishes, if they're straight, don't give a fuck as long as she's pretty: http://i.imgur.com/721Wc9l.jpg. If you read this and somehow felt threatened, then there is something wrong with you. I'm not going to say I was a badass or anything but technique will always beat size. Also, you say you're 5'7", the average in the US is only 5'10"... You're below average, but I would say you're by no means short, especially is the female average is still short than you (5'5") (I can provide a source if you don't believe me but I'm lazy). So yes, being short(er) is unattractive, but much more goes into determining if you're physically attractive or not, so you are not "physically unattractive to women, period" just because of your height.